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Problems with the new site - we're getting there, I promise

Hello there,

First of all - sincere apologies for the initial delay on the revamping of the website.  Myself and John were, ourselves, frustrated at the length of time it took for the site to get back up and running.  Secondly, I wish to offer my apologies on the length of time it has taken us to get back to members and address all your concerns – we’ve spent a lot of the time over the last few days trying to come to terms with the extent of the new site’s issues, but we’ve finally got our head above water (though with all the snow, we’re still getting wet).

Some people have reported that they have lost comments on work, and that they've also lost points.  I would like to reassure you all that these issues are being addressed.  I am told that all this information has been saved and backed up, but due to unforeseen software problems, things are taking a little to longer to update.  Members’ points should be corrected by Monday, but if this isn’t the case by Tuesday, I would ask all those experiencing problems to get in touch with me directly via e-mail: Thomas@writing4all.ie

 

In regards to the issue of the disappearing comments, this is the current situation: some 95% of the 39,000 comments from the old site have automatically been transferred to the new site, but we are encountering problems with the remaining 5%.  Those 5% of comments are still stored and saved, but our webmaster may have to upload them in a different way – that is to say it might take him a little longer to upload the messages manually, but once the comments are up, the messages won’t be affected.  At present, we are unsure as to why some comments won’t automatically transfer, so if any of you have examples of writings which have lost comments, could you please get in touch with me, quoting your username and title of the piece? This will enable us to track down those missing comments and work out how to deal with the remaining 5%. 

As for the problem of the comment approval, that has now been fixed, so everyone should be able to post comments without the fear of being in some Orwellian nightmare where only John and I can approve such comments.  It was never our intention to be in this situation – trust us, we don’t want to read and approve 300 comments a day! – but just the result of default security settings on the new website.  As I've said, they've now been tweaked, so you should see those comments posting as soon as you hit 'Save.'

One of the biggest problems at the moment seems to centre around the issue of accessing writings.  It is imperative on a site like this that members have full and easy access to their writings, and that the writings of others can also be accessed.  Without these things, the site becomes pointless, I know.  Again, we are very frustrated that this issue has arisen, and we have alerted our webmaster to the problem.  He is currently working on improving the system, but if things don't improve anytime soon, we're considering withdrawing his food and water.  Though, I suspect that may just exacerbate the problem. 

I suppose the crux of my message is this: we are listening, and we are trying our best to make this site as good as it should be, and as good as all your excellent writing deserves it to be.  I hope it doesn’t seem like we’re passing the buck on all the problems you’re encountering, but in some ways, we are now in the hands of the computer gods/our web-man.  I just hope that all our members can continue to enjoy using the site, and also continue helping one another as everyone grows accustomed to how the new setup works. 

In the meantime, I hope that you can forgive us for all the hassle, and continue to be patient as we all get used to the new layout of the site, as well as some of the new features (which we’ll be sure to brag about once everything is working).  But yes, if you do experience any problems with the site – from something very small to something very big – please do get in touch with me at the e-mail address above.  As many of you have said: this is a special site, and I think it’s worth the special patience.  That said, if it’s not all working by this time next week, I may have to give our web-man a special visit.

With sincere apologies,

Thomas Morris

Assistant Editor, Writing4all

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We hear you , thomas, and can see the progress...

And it will be total joy when we can access our poems again...

Thank-you for the announcement...

 

Yours sincerely

Barbara Boyd-Anderson

 

PS..Are we going to have the birthday still on site?

It's a nice personal thing..

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hey thomas i dont know how to look at all my writing on the site, previously when i entered my profile a list of everything i added to the site came up, how do i get that list up now and how do i get other peoples up to when i visit their profile, your guidance would be muchly appreciated THANK YOU

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Hi Thomas just a quick one to say well done on the work you have done on the writers personal homepage. I was worried that one of my pieces had gone to never never land but just logged on and I have to say my homepage is much much better and all my writings are back up. Well done again I know it cannot have been easy.

Bobby,

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I found the coming into the site and 'still uner development' written up a bit irritating to be truthful and was almost giving up on yez.

Learn from the experience about revamping and uploading websites. Glad its all coming togther now.

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I am one of the computer understanding impared.  I see there is a tab "messages" and would like to access so I don't put some information out for everyone to read.  I can't intuit how to do that.

Is it possible to address briefly how various new additions (most of which I really like) can be accessed for the few impaired like me?

Twana

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Wow

I have to admire your ruthlessness.

I post a harmless little story suggesting how those of us who have never made a cent from writing might actually make a living out of writing4all, and what happens?

First, not coincidentally, it takes me past the 500 point landmark.

Next, this hastily concocted piece, Tokens, is honoured with a Best of the Month accolade. Nice move, that. Puts me off my guard.

I sit back and wait for my first book token to arrive. Still no sign of it, but undeterred I continue posting, commenting and edging ever closer to the magical 750 point total. Maybe, I console myself, you recognise that you'll be forking out again soon, and given the times that are in it, decide to save on the postage by sending the two tokens out together. No worries, it will come in handy for Christmas.

Then you move in for the kill.

Under the guise of a "re-vamp" of the site I am stripped of the entirety of my literary accomplishments.

New points total: 109.

Worse, and crueller still, a banner at the top of my profile: Karl Essen has no status.

No status! Could it get any worse? Of course it could.

Karl Essen has no friends! I never had many, but none? Where have they gone? Were they paid off? In tokens?

A few days later, Surrasane offers to be my (only) friend. I ought to say no. It could be dangerous. But I'm lonely and, shamefully, I accept.

One friend, no status, 109 points...Revenge is sweet.

Karl

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Yeah I meant to get on to you about that Karl... that was mis-sent... it was for Kerkedijk. Look my advice is post up some stories, comment on other peoples work, and try to help...if possible, and then people will, maybe, just maybe, comment on yours and perhaps they will invite you as friend. Oh and best of luck with your writing look forward to reading some of your work... Sorry but hey when ever your ready just send it back un-abused... ;-}

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Any sign of ot our comments, points and status being returned?

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I too lost all my points.  I did have, at one time over 500.  I like the new look of the site but it does take a whole lot of getting used to.  Hope you get it sorted out soon guys.

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Well, the good news is we all seem to have our points back yes? Also I can access people’s backlog of work. However one problem I still encounter and I assume it is on all categories but for example if I got to poetry and scroll down the whole of page 1 then click on page 2 or 3 or next or last, I remain on page 1.


At the moment I think this is the only fault that is affecting me.


In general I think the site looks a lot better now, so well done for your hard work involved in the upgrade.


 


Neil

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Maybe this has een mentioned in an older post on this particular thread but I'm going to mention it again anyway!  Why oh why must people multiple post!!  When going in to post since the site has revamped, I haven't looked to see if the posting etiqette notice is there as being an older member, I already kew the rule!  Again if it's not there I understand how someone new would not know the rule until it is pointed out and when it is pointed out, must people take it graciously.  I notice of late however, it is not new members but people who have been around on the site for some time, are still choosing to multi post? Why is it alright for some to do and not for others?  Surely we all know the rule by now?  PLEASE STOP MULTIPLE POSTING!sick  Oh yes, one more thing.  Happy Christmas to all.christmas

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Yes, ma'am

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Sorry Twana, don't mean to p*** anybody off but it's been going on for so long now.  sadshocked

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I was being silly--just a joke.  I agree that posting once a day per genre is only fair.  Since I write fiction, n on-fiction and poetry, I feel it's ok to post a poem and a story on one day--but that happens rarely.  I agree wholeheartedly that in order for us to give each other a fair hearing, not hogging space matters.


You're the best! 


Twana

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Hi Twana,  I totally agree with you that it's absolutely ok to post one per category per day.  But It must be soul destroying for someone who has maybe not posted for while, or who sticks to the rule, to see some people posting 3 per day in one catergory.  Grrrrrrr!  I'm not normally a grinch, Just over this issue!angry  Ok, rant over.  I  wish you and all your family a very happy Christmas.christmas

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Hi Thomas,


Thanks for fixing my points and the new site is great.


It takes a while to get used to but like anything worthwhile it is well worth the time  Txthumbs up

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Yeah, looks like you guys have got to grips with most everything problematic with the upgrade. In saying that, I seem to have lost a couple of hundred points in this new adventure. Would this be down to creative depreciation? upside down

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Hi Thomas, as I pointed out to you in an email I can't get beyond a page in any sub category like general fiction or science fiction or general non fiction for that matter.I click on 2 or next and end up on the same page. Can you fix this and also make a note that i received no points for commenting for about a week starting the 13th.

Thanks again for your efforts, I appreciate you're doing all you can but it will be a relief when you post that the site is now fully up and running - all systems go!

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I was just wondering if I'm allowed 'copy and paste' work I have written on word onto the page to upload writing onto this site because it won't let me??


 


Thanks!

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Thomas, when will the revamp be complete? I still can't get beyond a page in any subcategory, comments are still missing from about twenty of my pieces and I'm not gaining points for commenting on others work or replying to same on my own. This is getting frustrating but if you could indicate when it will be finally sorted out for me and for everyone else affected I'm sure we would all be grateful.

Thank you for your efforts,

Martin.

 

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Hi Thomas,


I'm having a lot of trouble trying to post a comment on any of the pieces.  This only started a few days ago.  When I go to post a comment on somebody's work, I go to the comment box in the normal way and when I click save it says "comment field required"  but there is no comment field apart from the original space provided?  I haven't been able to comment on any piece or add any of my own work.  Would you be able to sort this out? 


I seem to be able to post in the forum, but nowhere else?  Help!!!!


 


Thanks


 


Buttercup/Maeve

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This is the third time I have posted to this thread. The problem re dating of entries remains unresolved. Comments have not been restored to work put up on the site. This has implications for copyright as I've said before. I would not post anything else up on this website under current conditions. I am very disappointed. I will have to remove content from here as it is simply not safe.

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Hi all,

I too still have several pieces submitted which have lost their comments and a whole bunch of stuff (I think the same bunch as the "pointless" ones) that have the same submission date (far far later than they were written).

Like Karl I waited and wondered about the points and the right to those elusive book vouchers. It wasn't/isn't my main reason for being here but I was told the system will be sorted and... it hasn't been! I was also "demoted" in the site upgrade from laureate to wordsmith (not that this info sees to actually appear anywhere and I'm not sure it matters anyway. I also lost all my friends and not being a great networker can't actually remember who they all were so as to go and chase them all up again. I think you were in there Karl ;)

A lot of things have been sorted and there are a lot of great new possibilities on the site but I am wondering what to do with all that work that seems to now have been submitted the same day and that has no comments on. Do I now remove it? If I do I'll lose more points (yep you lose points when you take work off the site) but, again, if those points have no purpose, does it matter?

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Thomas,

I wonder if it is possible to email or private message through the site, this would be so good as we have to write in the comment box to chat at the moment. Just a thought for the next revamp?smile

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I am new to this site and I have not yet mastered the navigation.  I especially would like to have a profile picture but when I tried doing this there doesn't seem to be a place to submit after downloading the picture.  Can you help


Sheelagh H

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The opening post in this thread is dated Dec 1, 2010 and it says 'Problems with the new site...but we're getting there, I promise.'

Well it seems there are still multiple problems and you are only half way there - almost SIX weeks later.

Personally, I can't get beyond a page in any sub category and access older pieces, comments have disappeared from about twenty of my pieces, I'm not getting points for comments and replies I make now only when I submit new work and I've lost all my pre-revamp friends.

That's just me.Look at the other posts in this thread. The site is functional and works at a basic level, enough to submit work and have it critiqued with a few other features. It's adequate but most are experiencing some sort of problem. Take it down for a few days if you must, go through this thread alone and iron out the difficulties.

Please, at some stage give us a site that is fully functional.

Having said all that I appreciate the work you are putting in and that the revamp may be more difficult then we imagine.

Thank you for that but please keep in mind that users need a working site at some stage.

Martin.

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The first post was actually December 1st as the site was revamped in November. I think the September 20th date is w4all thomas's join date. It is frustrating but hopefully it will be "cured" soon...

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Ya, I realised my mistake and used edit to correct it but you must have only seen the first version.

I also noticed in the 'Non Fiction Writings on Writing4All' general page that it is said, 'Your comments will help other writers improve their POETRY writing.' Shouldn't this be 'Non Fiction Writing'. Just something I noticed among the things you should look at W4ALL.

Thanks again anyway and hopefully the site will be right soon as you say.

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I am only just about a week on this site and there are a few things I don't seem to be able to sort.


I have tried downloading a picture for the profile and nothing happens.  I click on browse and pick a picture from my computer but nothing happens.  Is tehre something I'm not doing?  There isn't anywhere that I can save it.


 


Also, what are statuses?


I didn't intend my name Sheelagh Hanly to be on the site - just Julie Graham which is my pseudonym.  I must have entered them incorrectly.


Can I get help with this please?


 


Would appreciate any help.  Thanks.

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Hi Writing4all, it seems that I only get awarded points for commenting on Poetry since the revamp of the site.